Joined: 18 Apr 2004
Location: Raleigh, NC
|Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: Meet AlphaOsman, Or How Not to Become a Dontcamper
|Below is a PM from Osman to Super Wabbit. What follows is my reply, written both to Osman and as a matter of public record.
|Osman wrote: |
|Dude, you have some seriously shitty clan mates. For one, one of the guys starting shit with me yesterday has been on my case all day about EVERY SINGLE THING I've said and when I call out a guy show base camping our airfield (which I was told I would get banned for) he said "On my map there is no one there" SO, I go and start chain killing the guy. Then he gets another on your your clan mates to come in and start in on how they "Don't care" and muted me. Dude, I'm looking for a good group of people to play with and it seems like you have some fucking children in there. That guy is mostly mad because I defended another guy who Clavis was bashing, so I said imo Clavis has power issues with power he shouldn't have and from the looks of the abuse your clan dishes out, none of them should have. |
This is a terrible message you sent me. I am shocked that you would call one of my clan mates (Dontcamp is not a clan) "shitty." You have made no effort to get to know us. Our only correspondences to this date have been arguments and complaints. I personally take offense to you calling my friends shitty and power hungry. If you got to know us, you would realize how incorrect your opinions of them are. You would understand how hard admins like Clavis work to keep the server running smoothly. They all are extremely generous in donating their limited free time to make sure that players have a good time here. How dare you belittle their efforts without understand anything about them, or the Dontcamp community as a whole.
No one started any shit with you. We were willing to help and I even see the NTolerance tried to verify the claim for you. Since he was unable to verify we could not take direct action. Please understand that he dropped what he was doing to personally help you and his reward was that you were completely disrespectful towards him. Please understand that we can't kick or ban people based solely on the word of another random player. We have to verify these claims.
Let me also emphasize that constant complaining in-game is disruptive. You were muted because you kept arguing about said camper. This is not the first time you've constantly complained about something while in-game. In every case you failed to follow our directions. At this point, it is like you are crying wolf. That's not cool. Stop that.
It has been our experience that the accusations of hacking are more disruptive to the gaming environment than the actual hacker. This is why we ask players to post evidence in the forums of hackers/cheaters. Make no doubt, we do not accept cheaters here but you can't be paranoid that everyone is cheating. Constantly arguing while in-game is to be avoided at all costs. No one likes playing on a server with people spamming chat about hackers.
From the Banned Forum Post:
|Osman wrote: |
|So, today I decided to join your server only to find you had a hacker in the game. I called him out on it but being as he was on the side of your clan mates of coarse he WASN'T cheating and they went off on me for a long while about how I was lying and that cheats don't exist in battlefield. They then told me if I had proof to bring it to the forums, but when they kicked me before I got a vid of him killing me, so I came back in spectate. By this time, I figured there was no point in recording being as they clearly were defending his shit and so I watched the guy for a good while and it was clear without a shadow of a doubt he was AND it wasn't only me calling him out. When I pointed out what he was doing they banned me. So I would like to say, you have some serious babies in this clan that you should weed out. Its cute that you guys allow hackers in, but don't throw fits when you get called on it. Also, if you want, a simple youtube search will bring up COUNTLESS videos of the hacking in battlefield so before they call me a liar again, you guys should take a look. |
After being unbanned:
|Osman wrote: |
|Thanks Super and to be honest, I was kind of pissed when I wrote this so I could have worded it better. Either way, thanks for the un-ban. I Do like the server and for the most part everything runs smooth. Its just that its hard to trust people anymore and most the time its just safer to think someone is cheating imo. |
Damn straight you could have worded this better.
We, the entire Dontcamp staff and community members, do not agree with your opinion that it is "safer to think someone is cheating." This is just like assuming someone is guilty until proven innocent. If that is what you believe then I don't think Dontcamp is a good fit for you.
Example chat log from the most recent episode of complaining:
|2014-05-17 18:13:01 Global AlphaOsman hes back in the spawn
2014-05-17 18:13:35 Global AlphaOsman Yea its evilsoya
2014-05-17 18:13:58 Global NTolerance i have battlescreen up
2014-05-17 18:14:03 Global NTolerance no one on my team is near your spawn.
2014-05-17 18:14:14 Global NTolerance hang on
2014-05-17 18:14:15 Global AlphaOsman Then how did i just kill hm
2014-05-17 18:14:33 Global AlphaOsman Dude, you cant say i just didnt
2014-05-17 18:14:46 Global chdst Read what he said
2014-05-17 18:14:51 Global chdst Careful-like
2014-05-17 18:16:49 Team AlphaOsman Dude if you want i can show you where his spawner is
2014-05-17 18:16:59 Team AlphaOsman Hes camping our airfield
2014-05-17 18:17:34 Global AlphaOsman k
2014-05-17 18:17:52 Team AlphaOsman OR i could go over your head again to clanleader with proog
2014-05-17 18:17:59 Global AlphaOsman Proof
2014-05-17 18:18:09 Global chdst ...again?
2014-05-17 18:18:18 Global chdst ...clan?
2014-05-17 18:18:29 Global AlphaOsman Is Super not your clan leader?
2014-05-17 18:18:45 Global chdst hahahahahaha
2014-05-17 18:18:50 Global chdst Yeah, go talk to wabbit
2014-05-17 18:18:55 Global AlphaOsman I already went to him once when you guys called me a liar about a cheater
2014-05-17 18:18:55 Global Server AlphaOsman, report cheaters at dontcamp.com/forums, NOT as in-game chat.
2014-05-17 18:19:11 Global chdst I bet we didn't call you a liar.
2014-05-17 18:19:17 Global chdst I bet we just told you to shut the fuck up.
2014-05-17 18:19:23 Global chdst Shut the fuck up.
2014-05-17 18:19:32 Global AlphaOsman "He isn't cheating, you just suck"
2014-05-17 18:19:32 Global Server AlphaOsman, report cheaters at dontcamp.com/forums, NOT as in-game chat.
2014-05-17 18:19:43 Global AlphaOsman I would say thats calling me a liar
2014-05-17 18:19:55 Global NTolerance Osman you're arguing again.
2014-05-17 18:19:59 Global chdst And I would say: Shut the fuck up.
2014-05-17 18:20:00 Global NTolerance Please just play the game, last warning.
2014-05-17 18:20:03 Global chdst (again)
2014-05-17 18:20:55 Global AlphaOsman you do know i had proof right
2014-05-17 18:21:22 Global chdst It's not that we don't believe it, it's that we don't care.
2014-05-17 18:21:31 Global chdst Put your proof on the forums, like we keep telling you.
2014-05-17 18:22:19 Global AlphaOsman So, you wont kick him unless I prove what you can clearly see?
I encourage all of our community members to be open, honest and frank with me and all of the Dontcamp staff. If there is a problem with any of us, we will review the evidence and make changes accordingly. I personally do not appreciate you threatening to go over someone's head to get action taken. There is no need for that. The command structure here at Dontcamp is very flat, meaning that we have no levels of intervening management between staff and executives...meaning that there are no heads to go over.
You are not banned from Dontcamp and are free to play here. Please keep the hacking, cheating, arguing talk on the forums. I believe in second chances. Many a player has come here hot headed, much like yourself, only to be come long-time and much appreciated Dontcamp regulars. Are you a future Dontcamper?
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Location: Peoples republic of Md.
|Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 9:04 am Post subject:
|Very well said Wabbit.