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MTLMortis
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:01 pm    Post subject: Windows 10 auto shares your wifi network access

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sense/

...that's a deal breaker right there. Their opt out solution is completely unacceptable.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:15 pm    Post subject:

Calm down: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/wi-fi-sense-in-windows-10-yes-it-shares-your-passkeys-no-you-shouldnt-be-scared/
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:00 pm    Post subject:

The guy in the first article was told it doesnt do what he then says hes still scared of... and the assumptions about businesses are flawed anyways. If a business was running that kind of network they are already open to attacks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:25 am    Post subject:

Read the ars technica article. They're being a bit too blase about the potential security risk.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:45 am    Post subject:

I see the only security risk is that of being a user problem. The system asks specifically if you want to share WiFi passwords and is not an automatic setting.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:28 pm    Post subject:

You don't work with the window lickers I do.

Some dumbass in the warehouse couldn't get his email so he hit the reset button on the servers.

Granted we'll never have windows 10 installed here. My work machine got upgraded to XP from Vista about 4 months ago, and servers are running Novell.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:11 pm    Post subject:

You're still running XP?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:59 pm    Post subject:

/sigh

yes, at work.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:34 pm    Post subject:

Eh we still have some Novell things going on. But XP is not up to security standards...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:48 pm    Post subject:

I care more about Win 10 leeching bandwidth to provide updates for others:

http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/30/windows-10-steals-your-bandwidth-to-send-other-people-updates/

I'm stuck at 300k up, so that will get turned off ASAP! Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:04 am    Post subject:

If you're going to attack Windows... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/07/windows-10-upgrade-resets-your-default-browser-to-edge-mozilla-is-very-unhappy/
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:35 am    Post subject:

We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to.

Yeah, never happening...not in a million years would I ever agree to that.[/i]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:48 am    Post subject:

Mortis, can you link that wording to a source?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:21 pm    Post subject:

Quote:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx

Reasons We Share Personal Data

We share your personal data with your consent or as necessary to complete any transaction or provide any service you have requested or authorized. For example, we share your content with third parties when you tell us to do so, such as when you send an email to a friend, share photos and documents on OneDrive, or link accounts with another service. When you provide payment data to make a purchase, we will share payment data with banks and other entities that process payment transactions or provide other financial services, and for fraud prevention and credit risk reduction.

In addition, we share personal data among Microsoft-controlled affiliates and subsidiaries. We also share personal data with vendors or agents working on our behalf for the purposes described in this statement. For example, companies we've hired to provide customer service support or assist in protecting and securing our systems and services may need access to personal data in order to provide those functions. In such cases, these companies must abide by our data privacy and security requirements and are not allowed to use personal data they receive from us for any other purpose. We may also disclose personal data as part of a corporate transaction such as a merger or sale of assets.

Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to:

comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies;
protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone;
operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or
protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services - however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer's private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement.

Please note that some of our services include links to services of third parties whose privacy practices differ from Microsoft's. If you provide personal data to any of those services, your data is governed by their privacy statements.


Unsure if this is applicable only to Windows 10 or we're already under this draconian agreement. If so, I'm not even sure it's entirely legal in Canada. The EU will certainly have issues with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:42 pm    Post subject:

MTLMortis wrote:

Unsure if this is applicable only to Windows 10 or we're already under this draconian agreement. If so, I'm not even sure it's entirely legal in Canada. The EU will certainly have issues with it.


Um? How is there ANY legal issues at all here?

Quote:
We share your personal data with your consent or as necessary to complete any transaction or provide any service you have requested or authorized.


This is industry wide and routine? Nothing would be able to use MS authorization without this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:49 pm    Post subject:

Privacy laws vary from country to country as in what is legal or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:53 pm    Post subject:

When XP was new, and whether or not a server was running Novell with a Novell network/server as well, we had a trick back then to stop anyone from gaining network/internet access even if they did acquire a network/wifi password. We'd pop in our (at the time relevant) Win98 CD and pull off a specific yet obscure network protocol from the disk, installed it onto WinXP since it didn't come with it (since nobody used it) and set up our networks that way. even someone directly connecting an ethernet cable couldn't do anything. Razz
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